13f7e3a3385bf2e3f4d2003b910293dc wrote:
COD,
I wanted to share this post by Fox that I found very interesting on Naming and Shaming,
Foxhound-Pro wrote:
Here's something I laid out a while back and some replies.
Foxhound-Pro wrote:
This is a constant battle, but here's the skinny on why we do not allow people to name and shame. To make it easy we'll break it down into bullet points and then expand on them.
We disallow name n' shaming because of the below.
- Lack of embedded staff.
- User failure to provide proof.
- Potential for harassment.
- Preventing a toxic environment.
Lack of embedded staff: While it is true that developers browse this forum, there are unfortunately no embedded staff who have the responsibility, public or not, of fielding user reports of "cheaters." We have the in-game system and it is the primary resource for reporting. You may disagree with this based on your empirical data, but it does not negate the fact that staff are not present for the task.
User failure to provide proof: Many reports from the community surface as written statements that lack evidence or even references to the event occurring. The potential for malicious intent is large in this scenario and we moderators find it threatening to community health. You don't have to take my word for it either. Perform a search and you can find people who come to the boards stating that they were reported by a player for cheating because they won. It's toxic. The community even questions those who come to the boards to "fess up." People often state that said users are attempting to malign innocent victims. Again, the level of gray is unfortunate and damning.
Potential for harassment: This isn't common, but it does happen. It's also a rather large reason as to why we prohibit name n' shaming. Some people find that they have a need to follow up on someone's report and not only attack the user, but question or comment upon their actions. That is harassment via the first party service one uses to engage said peer. That's a distinct violation of said service's TOU and COC. We care about our users, though you may disagree, and do not want our forum to be a platform for someone to possibly hurt themselves and their credibility in the process.
Preventing a toxic environment: In the end we're not only protecting our community, but also taking into account the possible innocence of other users. We moderators do not want to be responsible for creating or allowing a platform to negatively impact someone's experience because of misguided vigilantism. We care deeply about this community and Call of Duty, but as stewards of but a small portion we must take much into consideration.
The above are our reasons and I hope that I have explained them well. We only ask that users comply with them along side our other governing text.
Foxhound-Pro wrote:
COD_WIDOW wrote:
I think it is the cheaters who are responsible for creating a toxic environment.
Good honest users and members posting up game clips that show cheaters tac insert headshot boosting for instance are IMO doing the community a service, and actually helping to clean up the playing field.
I'm not going to go at this ad nauseum, but good, honest users and members report in-game. That is doing the community a service. That is actually helping to clean up the playing field.
Posting videos of what you describe here does nothing unless the idea of the community creating an echo chamber about how dumb cheaters are is somehow productive. You may want to re-read my post as I cover this. Even if it was possible to report on the forums, then it would be held in a very discreet manner. The idea of "let's drag someone through the mud for justice" is misguided vigilantism and the inklings of toxic behavior. We're not embracing and that is not "good" or "honest." It's predatory and vindictive.
Because many new posts appear on cheaters, there is a reason we cannot name them here.